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Explora Journeys Explora III | Ep85

Episode Summary

In this episode of Luxury Cruising, Dr. Krystal Sodaitis welcomes Matthew Jones from The Cruise Globe and The Cruise Maps to discuss his sailing on the brand-new Explora III. He shares his impressions of the ship’s modern luxury design, spacious suites, exceptional service, dining, entertainment, itinerary, and the latest developments at The Cruise Globe.

Episode Notes

What makes Explora III different from other luxury cruise ships?

In this conversation, Dr. Krystal Sodaitis welcomes Matthew Jones from The Cruise Globe and The Cruise Maps to share his experience aboard Explora III. Matt explores the ship’s spacious design, modern luxury atmosphere, suite amenities, personalized service, included gratuities, diverse dining options, entertainment, and European-focused itinerary.

Matt also explains why Explora III feels more like a luxury hotel at sea than a traditional cruise ship. He highlights thoughtful touches such as stocked minibars, binoculars, attentive hosts, complimentary in-cabin dining, and the new paddle court, while discussing why scenic destinations may be especially well suited to the brand.

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About the Guest:

Matt is the CEO and co-founder of The Cruise Globe and The Cruise Maps. The Cruise Maps creates personalized prints showing the exact route of a cruise, while The Cruise Globe allows travelers to track their complete cruise history using actual ship data. The Cruise Globe has also expanded into an independent cruise agency.

Websites:TheCruiseMaps.com/Luxury

www.thecruiseglobe.com

https://www.youtube.com/@TheCruiseGlobe 

About the Host:

Dr. Krystal Sodaitis is a pediatrician, executive, and life coach for neurodiverse physicians—and the passionate host behind Luxury Cruising. She brings expert insight and honest excitement to every interview, helping curious travelers elevate their adventures at sea.

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Episode Transcription

 

[00:00:00] Welcome back to Luxury Cruising. I'm your host, Crystal Sarditis, and today Matt from The Cruise Maps is back with us, and

he is going to tell us all about his sailing on the brand new Explora III. Matt, please remind the audience of anything you want them to know about you. 

Sure, yeah. So I'm the CEO and co-founder of The Cruise Globe and The Cruise Maps. Two separate brands, but Cruise Maps is the exact-- We do print maps of the exact route of your cruise, and from that we built an app called The Cruise Globe that is, like, the first way to track all of your cruise history.

And now it's its own cruise agency as well. So yeah, we've been busy. 

It's been awesome. It has been so fun to watch the growth and anyone that listens to the podcast knows that we have a special relationship as well and that people that link through our link and buy through our link does help support the podcast.

So [00:01:00] super appreciative of you all on that relationship and any of the Luxury Cruising listeners that happen to go through that link and get some of your merch. Yeah. Um, but we'll talk more about the Cruise Maps later. I really wanna hear about Explora III. Um, listeners also know that I am really intrigued by Explora.

It is definitely getting higher and higher on my to-do list to get on one of the Explora ships. So tell me, what made you decide to take this particular sailing? 

Well, I'd heard great things about Explora, and this was just the first opportunity I could get on board. So We went from Lisbon back to Southampton, so only one flight for me, from the UK.

 and yeah, I just always wanted to go to Lisbon as well, so it's ticked off a lot of boxes for me. 

Awesome. So tell us about the ship. What was the ship like, the decor, the vibe? 

So it's my first time on Explorer as well, so I didn't have [00:02:00] much basis of comparison to one and two, but I'd heard a lot obviously.

I would say the ship it feels more spacious than it might even be, right? Like, you're never waiting for anything. You're never waiting for a lift, or you're never in a queue or a line. And I think it's really, really well-designed from that perspective. Um, obviously, second ever sailing it is absolutely flawless in terms of interior.

And what I heard at least is that they've changed a lot from one and two, and they're really listening to feedback. They're listening to what people liked and disliked about the first two ships, and iterating as they go. And they've got six, I think, or three more in, lined up to have six in total. So they are growing very, very quickly, and it's cool to see that they're taking ideas from, maybe what wasn't loved as much on the first couple and, iterating.

Awesome. And the decor, is it more classic cruising, more modern luxury, boutique hotel? What's it like? 

It depends on your definitions of those, I suppose. But like, I'd [00:03:00] probably view it as like modern luxury. I'm trying to think of a parallel now, but I mean, I think it probably ties in quite well with the sense that they're really not trying to be on a par or reminiscent of any other cruise lines, right?

 and this is the kind of quite fascinating thing with Explorers. They seem to be trying to position themselves as not even a cruise line. In some sense, it's just a really luxurious hotel at sea. Uh, I think when you take that at face value, it sort of has a bit marketing speak, right?

But actually, everything they do on board backs it up, right? Even down to the staff that they hire are coming from luxury hotels. Uh, they're not coming from other cruise lines Or like, at least primarily. And I would say that from an interior standpoint would be how I would describe it.

It's more aligned to a luxury hotel than it is any other cruise ship I've been on. 

Yeah. And I think I hear that a lot that with modern luxury cruise ships is they are definitely looking to have that hotel feeling, walking into, like, a hotel [00:04:00] salon, like hotel entryway, um- 

Mm ... 

rather than a big, promenade or, you know, like a mall.

Like a lot of the mega ships have been compared to. So I hear that a lot. That's amazing. What was the room like? 

So I was in a, um, Grand Ocean Terrace suite. Obviously the main thing with Explorer is everything is a suite, everything's a balcony. it felt very spacious. Even this was the second grade up from the entry level, if you can call any suite on Explorer entry level. But it was very spacious. actually a walk-in shower rather than the bathtub. No shower over bathtub, which I personally prefer. Um, a walk-in wardrobe and then yeah, a lot of space, really nice sofa, and then the terrace is the big draw in that grade 'cause you are on deck, uh, I think it was four.

I have to remind myself, four or six. Uh, whereby you have a little bit extra length to the terrace. So you've got a daybed out there, a [00:05:00] table, and chairs, and that really does feel very spacious. 

Yeah. I love being able to actually lay all the way out on a chaise lounge on- the balcony rather than just sit in a chair.

There is something- more luxurious about that because it almost feels like you could be by the pool, you could be on the beach. It's just beautiful. 

Yeah. 

What about like inside the room, You mentioned the walk-in shower which I also appreciate. I think that, I know a lot of people love having a bathtub in their- Mm-hmm

suite, but I'm not that much of a bath taker in general. Mm-hmm. So on a cruise ship, I don't know, I'm not gonna like lay in the bath. But any other standouts or amenities that came with the room? 

Yeah, I mean, the finishing touches are really nice, you know, even to the point of, automated underfloor lighting in a way.

So when you walk past it, it turns on, which might sound like a really small thing, but just like the little finishing touches are really sharp, right? And, um, I thought it was a nice touch. They put [00:06:00] like a Dyson air wrap is it? I would have to ask my wife on this one. But likea very nice, uh, hairdryer in there, which was good.

You get a set of binoculars, which is a nice touch, I think to sort of, yeah, sightsee as you go past it. See if you can spot any wildlife. And yeah, there's a minibar in there that's completely stocked and is free as you... So you can sort of ask for it to be stocked with certain things as well, which is a nice touch.

so yeah, the incredible, attention to detail as you'd expect, I think. 

Yeah. I love that. So leaving the room you mentioned the service, and I think that's really interesting that you found that a lot of the staff are actually coming from luxury hotels- Mm ... rather than cruise ships.

I'm just wondering why did that stand out for you? How did that stand out for you, and how did you even discover it? I discovered it 'cause we've got a relationship with Explora, and, they told me. But as I say, it wasn't me grilling, grilling the crew or anything. But, um, I guess it stood out for me because you do feel very much like,

 [00:07:00] I don't know. It's different to an experience that I've had in a restaurant on board. You particularly notice it in the restaurants, I think, with the waiting staff that, you know, do an amazing job, and it was a cut above what I've experienced elsewhere. Whether that would be true of someone who cruises on Seabourn and Silversea and, other luxury lines all the time, I'm not sure.

But but yeah, it rung true without being ostentatious. 

I love that. And you know, I always tell people, no matter what cruise you go on, it always seems like the staff want that to be the best vacation of your life. Mm-hmm ... every cruise vacation to be the best vacation of your life.

And- Yeah ... sometimes it can be a little bit over the top, to be honest. 

I completely agree with you. And I think one of the elements, and this is probably where the British and, uh, US audience differs slightly, but I always feel that when you're in a situation where the gratuities are all included, you get a much more, like it is on Explorer you get a sense that [00:08:00] this is genuine.

And that maybe is a little harsh when it's not, but everything feels more that's just how they do service rather than there's an expectation afterwards. 

and that's what I was getting at. It seems like this would be a little more, like, subtle. 

Definitely. And it's the small touches, right? That's the key thing with any of this stuff, is that the delivery of something that is delightful without asking for it, in a sense, or without having conversations. So a really good example is well, a couple of examples. One being that, you know, I mentioned completely, uh, off the cuff in conversation to the room steward, who is termed a host, I think, on Explorer that I had forgotten my shaving kit, right?

And literally an hour later, there's one in the cabin there waiting, which I hadn't asked for, I hadn't expected that. I had only mentioned that in passing that I didn't realize they would be able to do that. So that was really cool. And then another one where I went to one of the [00:09:00] bars and mentioned a drink that I really liked from home, and they make it for you, and then the next time I went to that bar, they made it without me asking for it, which I thought was really impressive.

And so it's those kind of little touches which I think are really impressive, right? And I'm not saying that wouldn't necessarily happen on another line, but I've not experienced it on another line. Yeah. So I think that's really cool. 

Yeah. I love those sorts of experiences. It is one of the things that stands out from, uh, sort of a premium or mainline, Mm-hmm

cruise line. So I love that. How was the food? What did you think of it? 

was incredible, actually. Um, so firstly, there's just a ton of choice for a ship that size. I think it's, like, nine restaurants or something. It's more than you'd expect, I think on a ship of that size, for sure.

I thought it was impressive that you managed to, get reservations at different places or sometimes don't need them to all the different ones. I think it's a different feel that you don't have a main dining room, you don't have a [00:10:00] buffet as per se. there's a sort of central restaurant, if you will, where it's, um, food stations, but you're being served called the Emporium Marketplace on Deck 11.

But there's not a default option, if that makes sense, which felt- Yeah ... I think better, and, uh, very different to a mainstream cruise line. There are some great variety as well. So you've got like a Pan-Asian option, you've got a French option, Mediterranean, great steakhouse. And I think the in-cabin dining is probably where it really excels as well.

There's this insanely good menu in each cabin, you know, 24 hours a day, completely included. And not like an in-cabin menu I've seen before. It was, like extremely nice, and they set up that- Yeah, not just 

like burgers, hot dogs, and fries, and some french toast. 

Certainly not. 

I love that. and I'm curious, I think I know the answer, but inside the cabin when they bring the food in, do they bring it in and like set it up on a table for [00:11:00] you?

I think this is where my experience might differ. Maybe they just assumed that I was more relaxed than that, but didn't happen for me. but nor did I want it, so maybe they just read the room. But, uh, I'm sure if you were That way minded, you can absolutely get them to lay out all the linens and everything else.

I've certainly heard that's the case for other guests. I just, um, me sat there in my shorts and T-shirt, I imagine they probably just thought this guy's more relaxed than that. I don't know. 

So They just brought it in for you and maybe like set it down on the table? 

Yeah.

No, for sure. just not setting out linens and everything first, but still- Yeah ... incredible service. Okay. I was 

just curious, like did they actually, And maybe was it for lunch or dinner or breakfast? Maybe it varies based on your meal. 

No, it had ,you know how rare it is to feel peckish or at all hungry on a cruise really, right?

But, uh, there was one time mid-afternoon where I felt a little bit hungry and I think a filet mignon at like 4:00 in the afternoon, 'cause why not, right? So yeah, I truly tested the sense that it was any time of day. Definitely was. 

Awesome. [00:12:00] Uh, let's move to entertainment. Mm-hmm. And what do you think about the entertainment, especially considering it is a smaller ship? How many passengers? Do you know how many passengers,

Yeah, 920, I think. So- reasonably small, but maybe not the same as, you know, Ritz Carlton and Aman, and those- Yeah

sort of still that next grade up in size. But as I said, did not feel busy at all, and I definitely found that the entertainment's definitely different to a mainstream ship, right? Uh, Well, at least in my opinion, you can't go on board and expect the massive shows, and the people jumping off diving boards, and ice rinks, and whatnot.

Like, that's not what you're getting at all. And Because there's no theater per se, there's not like an obvious central hub for everything. What that means also is that splits the crowd in the evenings as well, so it's not necessarily everyone gravitating towards the bow of the ship to "What's on tonight?"

There's, of course, a space that acts as a theater of sorts, but truthfully, yeah, I wasn't blown away by the entertainment, I will say. Like it was [00:13:00] good but not mind-blowing. Yeah. But then I think that's not why a lot of people are there really, and I think this also pulls back to this whole more like a luxury hotel, right?

So they put so much effort into the food, and the bars on board are incredible, and the other things to do in the evening are more of that description rather than go see a big theater production. that's not really what they're doing. 

Yeah. I can understand that.

And so were there like lounge acts where someone would come in and maybe do some- 

Yeah ... 

singing or play an instrument? That 

kind of thing. You know, there was, a musical group on board like you would expect. They were good. And they did a couple of different shows 

It was a seven-day cruise, so they did a couple of different shows. There was a magician magician's duo, I suppose, one night. What else was there? There was some comedy as well, but, nothing, no theater, not that's necessarily what I would want, frankly, but no productions, as it were.

Yeah, no big theater with, you [00:14:00] know- No ... a live orchestra and 15 dancers and three featured singers or whatever. 

To be honest with you- Yeah, not on a ship ... it kind of felt a bit calmer as a result, right? Like for me personally, I find sometimes on a mainstream ship when you go on and you, uh, see the daily program, it's just a bit overwhelming.

There's like something on every hour, like three things every hour that you would want to do and want to try. And I'm the kind of person who ends up planning my day then, and I'm sort of writing, "I'll do this now and I'll do this then." It's like, cool, but I've got an itinerary then, you know, and that's not really what I want to do to relax.

And so, I actually appreciated that there was less going on, but that wouldn't be for everyone. 

Yeah. And as far as the entertainment, and maybe even the food, because MSC is really much more internationally focused than a lot of the mainstream cruise lines that tend to be more, we'll say, North American focused, did you notice that on Explorer?

Yeah, to an [00:15:00] extent. I think there's something for everyone there, for sure. But, you know, there is a Mediterranean-themed restaurant on there, The Med Yacht Club, which is, you know, tapas, and you notice that it stays true to its theme, shall we say, right? And then a French restaurant, which is your traditional French restaurant.

Amazing, but very, very French, as, true to form. And then Sakura, which was an incredible Pan-Asian option, right? So, I mean, if you wanted to get pizza and chips and burgers, you can absolutely do that as well, right? But I would say there was something for everyone, for sure, but it was, yeah, maybe a slight European slant.

Yeah. which I think for, especially if you're doing Explorer in Europe, it's good. Like, I mean- Yeah ... often you go on, like Carnival, Royal, you take it in the Mediterranean, but you could also be in the Caribbean or Alaska. There's not really much of a difference in terms- Yeah ... it's not a regional difference.

Yeah. I think that's fair. No, you definitely do feel quite tuned into the [00:16:00] Mediterranean. It was a good line for that itinerary as well. 

Awesome. So you mentioned that you boarded in Lisbon, and then- Mm-hmm ... you went to Southampton. what ports did you hit?

So we did Porto, and then Bilbao, then up to Bordeaux, and then back down to Saint-Jean-de-Luz, and then right the way back round to Southampton. So one sea day at the end, and the rest one port every day. Um, I would say some of those were a little bit further out of town, like Porto, you are a little away from Porto where we stopped.

Bordeaux, you're a fair way upriver from where you stop. Mm-hmm. Bilbao's also a reasonable amount of distance. So I guess from that perspective it was yeah a weird itinerary 'cause there'slike a lot of bus trips which I think it was surprising to me a little bit because as such a smaller ship, I thought maybe we'd been able to get...

particularly Bordeaux would've been able to get further in as a lot of ships do. [00:17:00] But maybe that's to do with being new. I honestly don't know. And then one tender port, which was Saint-Jean-de-Luz, which is this wonderful Basque seaside town like pretty much bang on the border with France and Spain, and that was fantastic.

But I think actually it was largely fantastic as you sort of tender and you're right in rather than having to, get off and line up for the coach. 

Yeah. Was there anything about the itineraries that you thought were particularly, you know, upscale or luxurious because you were on Explorer? 

I didn't engage too much with the shore excursions, so I mean, I couldn't say for sure on those.

Maybe there were. But no, I mean, I suppose those are really nice places as well, right? Bordeaux, and Bilbao, and Porto. I did see that there were a lot of great looking tours going on, but I just, um, frankly, I thought the ship was so nice, I wanted to spend more time on the ship.

So, when you're in a port every day, if you get off every day, you're kind of cutting down your time to enjoy the ship. 

Yeah. That's valid, [00:18:00] especially as a beautiful brand new ship,

Yeah, exactly ... 

that even though it's not crowded with like less than 1,000 people, when most of them debark for the port day, it's like you have got your own little mega yacht to yourself.

Oh, Totally. And we were doing a bit of filming as well, so, for our YouTube channel. So it's, uh, very, very important to try and do that when it's quiet. 

Yes. Absolutely. Anything else about Explorer, Explorer Journeys III that you would like the audience to know, you think is important?

Well, it's only relevant for some, but I enjoyed it a lot, but the big change on the sports and recreation side with Explorer III is there's a paddle court on the top deck. So instead of just pickleball, which is the original version, you've got paddle up there right on deck 14. It's incredible view, glass court.

I thought that was fantastic. Spent a lot of time up there. And I definitely would recommend that. I think ultimately also the ship is so well designed for the views, right? And if I was to [00:19:00] do Alaska, for sure, I would say one of the best lines to do it on as a smaller ship, but also everything is floor-to-ceiling windows.

Everything's built for visibility. So I think, um, it got me thinking about other itineraries that I would like, but specifically scenic ones, I think. I think that would be fantastic for those. 

Great. Awesome. That is a good tip. Let's segue to talk about the Cruise Maps and the Cruise Globe, which is, like, super fun.

I don't know if you wanna quickly mention, remind people what the Cruise Globe app is and then we can talk about all the growth in the Cruise Maps. I'll talk about my little favorite 

thing. Absolutely. So thecruiseglobe.com it's the first app of its kind, so it's entirely free to use.

It allows you to log all of the cruises you've ever been on, and it shows you the exact routes that those cruises took. So every port, every missed port, every diversion, it'll all show because it's the actual satellite data from the ship that drives it. We're now on, I assume we've [00:20:00] got 100 and...

you can see it behind me, 162,000 people onboard and they've logged nearly a million cruises. And so we actually just two months ago decided to take that foundation, take that incredible community we've built, and build an agency to sell and book people's cruises for them. So that's attached now to The Cruise Globe, which the really cool thing there is that we've now got 13 advisors across the UK and the US, all in country, all ready to give expert advice, honest advice, as well, because we're fully independent.

But they're giving that advice based on everything you've done before. So if you've logged the 30 cruises that you've been on, that advisor you speak to already knows exactly where you've been. They know every port you've stopped at, not stopped at, and, like, that data allows us to have a really engaging conversation straight away with you.

So 

Wow, I love that 

Yeah 

I love that. That's amazing. I did not know that the agency was tied [00:21:00] to the Cruise Globe. Yeah. So that is really fantastic. And then from that, you also have the Cruise Maps that- ... has just grown and is offering more and more products.

People who have listened to the ad know, like my favorite is the cards. Yeah ... and I'll share it with people, like my fantasy, if I had been smart enough to save all of my original SeaPass cards and key cards is I would've made a coffee table out of them. I would've like, I just think that would be so cool to have- That would be cool, yeah

um, like a coffee table made out where they're all just like resined together. And then it's such a great like central part of your, you know, home or living room, and you can talk to people about all the different trips you've been on. And so now that the Cruise Maps offers those, um, I don't have to worry that I don't have them all saved.

I can make them- Absolutely ... and I can still get my coffee table. 

I think it's all about [00:22:00] conversation starting, right? Like ultimately that coffee table would be so amazing because anyone comes around, has a coffee with you, sits down like, "Oh, what's this?" And then it gives you that sort of reason to be able to start talking about these amazing experiences you've had, right?

And that- in turn finds commonality and a fun conversation. but yeah, we've always tried to think about it from that perspective. Our latest product, which actually I've got the version of from Explorer 3 here- Awesome ... which is a photo book. So this is for the very first time a photo book that is cruise-based.

So you can upload all your photos super simply from your phone and tell us your cruise that you're on, and then we create this photo book with the map on page one, and then all of those photos laid out in a really nice way throughout the book. I can't show it that well there, but you get the gist- Yeah

uh, of everything in there. Um, and we love these. I think these are gonna really go well for us. Certainly people have been really, uh, excited by them so [00:23:00] far, but again, a really nice conversation starter 'cause you have those on a bookshelf all next to each other one by one. You got a really nice, um, collection.

Yeah. And I mean, I think that for people who maybe would consider getting like the cruise line photo book now, but you have to like buy the package and only- Yeah ... use the photos that the cruise line shot that are sometimes can be overly staged. And so now you have a way to do that's directly connected to your cruise, has your cruise map on it and it's your own pictures that you took.

Not to mention at a fraction of the price of what you'll be paying on that as well, right? 

That's a factor. But no, it's been really good. And the really exciting thing is we've got more and more of those cruise lines are actually coming to us now and saying, "Hey, we really like the product, but we'd love to do a version with our branding on it."

And we're more than happy to do that. So we started that maybe two years ago with Cunard was the first line we did that with, and then now it's [00:24:00] just boomed from there. So we've got right the way from MSC and P&O right the way through to now Regent and Oceania, which is probably more relevant for this audience.

 but yeah, that's really cool because that ends up being the same exact route and the things that people love about the cruise maps, but with the logo, uh, the fonts make it look and feel exactly like a Regent product in this instance. Yeah. 

Yeah. I was so curious about that when that started coming across my feed.

So let me just see if I understand it correctly, is that let's say I say like I went on this Regent cruise and I tell you you know, the ship I was on, the itinerary dates, I upload my photos. What comes to me, is it a photo book that basically looks like it could've been produced by Regent with their like kind of scripty fonts that if anybody knows Regent knows the fonts I'm talking about?

Yeah. And maybe has some of their branding throughout? 

So at the moment it would only be the framed maps that [00:25:00] are the partnerships. So you can absolutely get a framed Regent print, which would look exactly like Regent branding. But very soon 

can I pause you for one second?

Please. 

So if anybody has not been watching the podcast on YouTube- ... they have to watch right now because- Yeah ... you can see the number of people changing. I just saw it go from, like, whatever it is, 936 to 938. Yeah. Like, it's so cool. 

It's really cool. It makes a real ... It's like an old school, um, you know- Yeah

a railway, uh, sign. But it 

just 

happens automatically. Yeah. Yeah, so that, that's literally someone signing up to The Cruise Globe in the background. So I love it because it sort of reminds me while I'm beavering away here building everything, uh, it reminds me there are people out there who are getting value from what we're doing, which is really lovely.

Um, but no, to your point, it's Regent very soon, hopefully, along with the other lines, hopefully will have a more branded version of the photo books as well that looks like theirs. [00:26:00] Obviously some of those lines have photo partners on board and stuff, so it's a little bit more of a tricky thing to sort out.

But Regent, I know for sure, are extremely keen to get that sorted, so that's on our list. 

That's amazing. Awesome. Well, it's really fun. It's just such a conversation starter. I mean, for people who love cruising, really any excuse to start talking about cruising, we'll take it. And 

so, Absolutely.

and it's always better when someone asks you as well. 

Yeah. Amazing. Anything else about the company or this trip that you want to share, um, that we haven't covered yet? 

No, I would say just the big thing we're focused on right now is this new agency, and we're really investing in that.

We're making sure that we've got advisors who are really experienced based in the UK, based in the US. These are not faceless call centers, you know? These are real people who are there to help, and they are absolute experts. And I think if you are thinking about your next cruise, absolutely, uh, get in touch with us at [00:27:00] thecruiseglobe.com/bookings.

Awesome. Well, we will definitely put that link in the show notes as well as our specific link, the luxury cruising specific link. So if anybody's- Mm-hmm ... listening and would like to purchase anything, I would appreciate using the link because I do get a small amount that helps support the podcast. Um- Perfect

amazing. Well, I have loved watching the growth of the company. Absolutely ... wish you all the best, and absolutely any luxury cruises on the horizon, or cruises at all? 

Hopefully Regent soon is the hope, but no confirmed date, but that's the next on my list. 

All right. I hope you will come back, Absolutely

and tell us about that experience. And thank you so much for being a great partner and for being on the podcast today. And to all the listeners, thank you for being here. And until next time, I wish you safe and luxurious cruising.